tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post2046121147110180342..comments2023-11-02T09:09:33.735-04:00Comments on RLMDEAF: ASLforLife, That's What I Tried Last Sumemrtime on Issue of EDHIRLMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-53284648179931465922008-07-09T15:43:00.000-04:002008-07-09T15:43:00.000-04:00Abbie, Oh I see what you make your point regardi...Abbie, <BR/><BR/> Oh I see what you make your point regarding the following issues around deaf babies and youngsters. <BR/><BR/> I am in pretty hurry with other errands before catching up with the open-captioned film screening of "Wall-E" film tonight (Wednesday). I am supposed to meet someone this evening, but have to re-arrange everything due to weather factor. Gotta go now. <BR/><BR/> I will get back to you tommorow afternoon whether I have some time. Okay? :)<BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-44765990901018146682008-07-09T15:27:00.000-04:002008-07-09T15:27:00.000-04:00RLM,I asked that question with no means of attempt...RLM,<BR/><BR/>I asked that question with no means of attempting to discredit your concern but to simply get a feel of whether or not you are lobbying against this bill as someone who has or has not went through the experience of wondering whether or not a child has come out of the womb free of any birth defect. For clarification purposes, I am not limiting this to deafness but the whole slew of medical maladies that can happen. <BR/><BR/>The fact that most of the children that are born deaf are born to hearing parents and being unable to hear is not normal to them. However natural it is to you, it is not to them. They deserve the right to know whether or not one of their child's senses are not working. I'm not a parent myself but I would want to know if my child could not hear, see or even feel me. I would want to know if there is any potential problems or life threatening illnesses.<BR/><BR/>With that being said, I support the bill. What I don't support is the lack of support services or mental preparation of the family extended to parents when they find out their child is deaf. I am for giving them informed and unbiased choices. I am all for any child that has a hearing loss in learning how to speak AND learning ASL permitting their chosen learning style, you have to remember not all children are visual learners. If these methods of communication were combined in a positive light, you can rest assure that more people be more acceptable in putting them in action. <BR/><BR/>Besides the DBC with their half hearted approach to reach out to hearing parents, I don't see how the Deaf are taking the initiative in showing proof that growing up without amplification can equal or better then their hearing peers. Unfortunately, I don't see any kind of research that supports that theory. If you have access to that kind of research, I would love to see it.<BR/><BR/>I feel that the real problem lies in the lack of showing that the combination of communication methods in a positive light. I know several parents that have children with a CI are open to learning ASL. Yet, they are berated and insulted for making the choice to give their child some semblance of hearing, counterproductive and unattractive way of attracting the Deaf culture, is it not? It is no known secret that you can catch more bees with honey. It is what it is and I wish more people would be open to adapting with the times instead of pushing them away.Abbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17272667052295179028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-41227998883854069112008-07-09T08:38:00.000-04:002008-07-09T08:38:00.000-04:00Abbie:Just in case that question was aimed at me, ...Abbie:<BR/><BR/>Just in case that question was aimed at me, yes I do have two beautiful, vibrant children. No, neither is deaf or hard of hearing, YES, both of them do sign quite a bit. The 7 year old boy is a work in progress, he's more interested in making up signs to see if Daddy can guess what they are (LOL-typical boy), and my 11 year old daughter is a very adept fingerspeller who can also sign well enough to carry on a conversation with me.<BR/><BR/>Eddie Runyon<BR/>http://thumpaflash.livejournal.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-20610335235029137932008-07-08T11:50:00.000-04:002008-07-08T11:50:00.000-04:00Abbie, In response to your question whether I ha...Abbie, <BR/><BR/> In response to your question whether I have children or not. <BR/><BR/> Nope! That doesn't meant to disqualify me from being concerned about the well-being of deaf babies and children. <BR/><BR/> Our youngsters are the real precious resources within the humanity. We need them for our future leadership and decisions affecting our livelihood. <BR/><BR/> Why ask me this question out of curiousity? <BR/><BR/> I really wish that I have my own children. <BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-46042567168090168122008-07-08T09:38:00.000-04:002008-07-08T09:38:00.000-04:00Do you have children?Do you have children?Abbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17272667052295179028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-8655757616021818042008-07-04T12:32:00.000-04:002008-07-04T12:32:00.000-04:00Anonymous:You said "Sauce for the goose is sauce f...Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>You said "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander", and go on to imply that it is right to force the requirement of ASL education onto the parents. I'm sorry you don't accept my argument, however, I have to say I really don't give a sh** if you do or not.<BR/><BR/>The fact of the matter is this: you can NOT argue that forcing the ASL upon them is any different at all than forcing them to learn to speak, for example. Both forced opinions would be wrong, no matter which side you come down on. What IS acceptable, is requiring that ASL be provided as part of the educational aspect and that it be presented in an EQUAL manner to all other options, and allow them to make an informed decision.<BR/><BR/>Forcing ANYTHING down anyone's throat will naturally make them more rebellious towards it because it goes against the very grain of our free will.<BR/><BR/>Now, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of opinions from both sides of this debate, but clearly, the consensus is that we need to educate on the same level as the other options. I believe, if presented fairly and equally, with supporting facts to back up any conclusions drawn about the benefits of ASL, many parents will use it or select it for their child as an additional tool.<BR/><BR/>Regards, and Happy 4th of July,<BR/><BR/>Eddie Runyon<BR/>http://thumpaflash.livejournal.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-8638844768941644202008-07-04T11:16:00.000-04:002008-07-04T11:16:00.000-04:00After viewing your three vlog postings from the Le...After viewing your three vlog postings from the Legislative Agenda #1,#2 and#3. How interesting! <BR/><BR/>I will make the following response on another blog posting of mine this July 4th weekend if time permits. <BR/><BR/>Your suggestions are reasonably pragmatic. That's why I urge the NAD and the American deaf community to call for the creation of formal recognization by our national government to desginate the American Sign Language under the protection of minority or community language. <BR/><BR/>Many countries including Australia already recognized sign language as part of minority language along minority rights and protections, etc. <BR/><BR/>Many thanks for responding to my Q's. I am still eerily opposed to the re-authorization of EHDI which seen sleathily as some kind of eugenic bill. <BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-76104052745964642172008-07-03T22:19:00.000-04:002008-07-03T22:19:00.000-04:00RLM,Sorry I didn't check back earlier. My vlog po...RLM,<BR/><BR/>Sorry I didn't check back earlier. My vlog posting was titled "Legislative Agenda #1 (Easiest)<BR/><BR/>--DonG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-17615231299730154192008-07-03T12:06:00.000-04:002008-07-03T12:06:00.000-04:00I support that about newborn hearing screening and...I support that about newborn hearing screening and early intervention, of course doctor will want to implant severe-profound hearing loss becuase its the best tool out there for them to learn to speak clearly and listen effectively with AVT. If someone found very effective with low percentage of failure for completely blind people to have enough vision to walk without canes or if very successful, can ride bike, do anything they want, they'd want put that on as many blind people/children as possible.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12431123903424701803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-6697114451937107112008-07-03T10:27:00.000-04:002008-07-03T10:27:00.000-04:00Eddie: Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...Eddie: <BR/><BR/>Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Right now the medical community is deciding for the parent by forcing them to get cochlear implants and avoid ASL. I don't accept your argument. By making it a requirement that parents do both, they are EXPOSED to both - and they and their child can decide how they want to proceed after they've experienced BOTH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-59412239485466048182008-07-03T09:48:00.000-04:002008-07-03T09:48:00.000-04:00Anonymous:We can't FORCE ASL education on parents....Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>We can't FORCE ASL education on parents. Fighting to make it a REQUIREMENT would serve as a community deciding for a parent. No, what we should do is absolutely fight to make sure it is available on an EQUAL footing, but it ultimately is the parent's decision at that young of an age.<BR/><BR/>The 98% number that you use, if I am not mistaken, was actually a number derived from ONE state (North Carolina), and is not representative of the entire country. I think what we all need to do is take a deep breath and focus our efforts on education, yes, but not FORCED. That would serve the purpose of turning people off even further.<BR/><BR/>Eddie RunyonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-13269928490020107852008-07-03T06:04:00.000-04:002008-07-03T06:04:00.000-04:00I think if you really gave a shit, you would have ...I think if you really gave a shit, you would have started a national nonprofit with the goal of educating parents about ASL at the same level that CI industry "educated" parents; I'd also like to see this nonprofit work WITH the CI industry, because frankly, with 98% of American Deaf kids having been implanted in the last few years, fighting against implants is just cutting your own foot off. <BR/><BR/>Why not fight to make ASL education a REQUIREMENT for every Cochlear Implanted child? My god, that would make so much sense! If the implant didn't work, you wouldn't have to wait ten years to find out - the kid could sign and let you know! If the implant broke, the child would have a back up! You can easily destroy their claim that learning ASL makes the CI less effective - plenty of Deafies support your cause who have a CI themselves. So how about it? Are you going to do the work or just sit and blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-33257258947490832532008-07-02T23:22:00.000-04:002008-07-02T23:22:00.000-04:00RLM:No, we do not need to block this legislation. ...RLM:<BR/><BR/>No, we do not need to block this legislation. That amounts to cutting off our noses to spite our faces.<BR/><BR/>What we need to do, is to push for continued EQUAL education in an unslanted manner about ALL options available to parents, and ensure that they are able to see past the myths associated with sign language (such as "your baby won't do as well with English if they learn to sign too early", etc.).<BR/><BR/>I absolutely disagree with you on this one, I would rather we use the "bully pulpit" to educate and push for equal education.<BR/><BR/>Eddie RunyonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-90621030313602292102008-07-02T19:16:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:16:00.000-04:00Don G., I recently checked out your vlog posting...Don G.,<BR/><BR/> I recently checked out your vlog postings. I did not find any of specific issue you brought up. <BR/><BR/> Please tell me the title of your vlog. So I easily could find it. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-50802963053640086492008-07-02T19:11:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:11:00.000-04:00Don G., With due respect, this bill have been b...Don G., <BR/><BR/> With due respect, this bill have been bounced back from the U.S. House of Representatives to the U.S. Senate since 2005. <BR/><BR/> EDHI law will be shortly expired! Many privacy group and child advocacy groups expressed their concerns about potential government and health insurance intrusion upon every newborn's own privacy which the EDHI is amended to the major legislative bill - "Screening Newborns and Infants' Health". Too many U.S. Senators are truly skeptical about this major bill. <BR/><BR/> My understanding is that the NAD is currently working with the EDHI committee to promote ASL and bilingualism so far. I never read or see the NAD's official announcement about NAD's latest efforts on the EDHI bill. How come?<BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-48249368775017326412008-07-02T19:02:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:02:00.000-04:00RLM,We shouldn't block it. It is a good idea to f...RLM,<BR/><BR/>We shouldn't block it. It is a good idea to find the babies who are Deaf and HH as early as possible so they (and their parents) can start getting the services and language they need. But, definitely we should make them slow down, step back and look at the bill and make sure that important amendments are made to it so that the Deaf perspective is included and parents are informed (unbiasedly) of ALL options INCLUDING ASL and Bi/Bi. See my vlog http://www.deafhooddiscourses.com/?p=15 on just that. <BR/><BR/>--DonG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-68026484931660314922008-07-02T18:17:00.000-04:002008-07-02T18:17:00.000-04:00That's what I am trying to say about the necessity...That's what I am trying to say about the necessity of consultations within deaf agencies and deaf professionals and deaf individuals to see the real side of deaf people living without the use of cochlear implant. <BR/><BR/>Parents of deaf babies and youngsters need to think about the long-term consquences of CI surgery on their offspring. <BR/><BR/>RLMRLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944804788920891331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-46005599080574320652008-07-02T18:02:00.000-04:002008-07-02T18:02:00.000-04:00dog foodCan you get rid of that name of yours "dog...dog food<BR/><BR/>Can you get rid of that name of yours "dog food" and change it to more of "Brain Food"?<BR/><BR/>ASL is the genuine Brain Food for all babies, oops, did I forget to add hearing babies? Oh, could it work for Deaf babies too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7696461118314848250.post-69148585893209654412008-07-02T17:28:00.000-04:002008-07-02T17:28:00.000-04:00good point RLM; but dont we need to teach babies A...good point RLM; but dont we need to teach babies ASL as soon as possible too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com